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De plus, E. Qui influence qui? Cook, «4Q», Bulletin for Biblical Research 5 Kuhn relativise donc en conservant les deux options Est-ce que la jonction est solide? It emphasizes that heaven has come down to earth. As such Acts 2 can be described as an inverted Merkabah account. Klasse Notley, M. Turnage, et B.

I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so. The Life of Muhammad , A. Then she had him sit on her right thigh, and he could still see it. Then she had him sit on her lap, and he could still see it. Such a highly dubious method of testing whether a message is from God or Satan falls radically short of Biblical standards Deuteronomy ; 1 John ; 2 John , etc. Islam cannot prove that its chains of transmission are actually reliable, but its need for them stands in the sharpest contrast to the New Testament.

There was no need for a line of transmission. Had just ten minutes been spent per hadith, working eight hours a day, would have required one to work over years to evaluate all 3,, alleged sayings. Sahih Muslim did not live to be over years old, nor did he start his work on the day of his birth. These collections of Hadith were accepted by the majority Sunni community but not by some much smaller splinter groups.

Morey continues:. The angel Gabriel brought it down and Muhammad recited it verbally but did not write any of it down. After his death, it was gathered together and compiled by the Caliph Uthman. The insurmountable problem that Muslims face is that they do not have any documentary evidence from the 7th or 8th century to back up any of their claims. They are both fraudulent as to authorship and dates.

But when they were examined by manuscript scholars, they turned out to be 9th or 10th century manuscripts. By borrowing liberally from the legends, myths and religious traditions of pagans, Jews, Christians, Hindus and Persians, they created one religion to rule over all its citizens. These authors contributed stories and legends from their own cultural and religious background.

The sources of these stories have been well documented by many scholars. How different is the situation with the New Testament! The manuscript evidence for it begins twenty years after the death and resurrection of Christ. There are literally thousands of Greek, Latin, Syriac and Coptic texts that document the reliability of the New Testament.

The same holds true for the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. We have more than enough literary documentation for the life of Jesus from first century Jewish, pagan and Christian manuscripts. This is in sharp contrast to the life of Muhammad. We find no references to him as a prophet until years after his death. Thus, much of what is said about the life of Muhammad must now be dismissed as fiction.

Ibid, — However, in the words of one translator:. In his definitive work on Philippians , Dr. Ralph P. Martin suggests Stephen, who was martyred c. Martin, Carmen Christi: Philippians ii. Neither of these theological developments nor their sociological corollaries are late phenomena but early realities that can be dated with some precision. John J. See Daniel B. John D. Barry et al. Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, trans.

Arthur Cushman McGiffert, vol. Habermas notes:. With regard to the actual types of miracles, 2 some were healed and 3 some were raised from the dead. Gary R. Jacob Neusner, ed. Accordance Electronic ed.

Frederick Crombie, vol. Wilmer C. Italics are reprorduced from the original. James K. Joel B. In sharp contrast, hadith about Muhammad composed centuries later ascribed fanciful miracles to him Bukhari ; ; , etc. See also Norman L. Apollonius died in A. The legend stands in the sharpest contrast to diversity of early and unambiguous historical testimony for the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Geisler notes:. It gives every evidence of being a work of fiction. Unlike the Gospels, it provides no eyewitnesses, no resurrection, and no confirmation. By contrast, the Gospels have abundant evidence for their authenticity and historicity. In short, there is no real comparison between Apollonius and Christ. Jesus claimed to be the Son of the theistic God and proved it by historically verified miracles, including his own resurrection from the dead. Apollonius made no such claims and had no such witnesses to support any alleged miracles.

On the contrary, the single witness is late, unsubstantiated, and shows every sign of being myth, not history. Dunn, Jesus Remembered , vol. For a detailed discussion and chronology, see, e. Waynesboro, GA: Paternoster, Christ also appeared in visions to Stephen, Ananias, Paul, John, and others cf.

Acts ; Acts ; Acts ; Revelation , etc. The divergences appear very great at first sight. While the evidence for the reality that Christ rose from the dead by no means falls if one for the sake of argument were to concede that the passage was inauthentic, the historical evidence for its Markan authorship is overwhelming. The Syriac, Latin, Coptic and Gothic versions all massively support the passage, with every single Syriac manuscript except one, every Coptic manuscript except one, and every Latin manuscript except one containing the text.

In the second century, the Diatessaron attests to Mark , as does Irenaeus. Many explanations, including something as simple as the last page of an ancient copy accidentally falling off, could explain the omission of Mark in a miniscule number of witnesses; the overwhelming evidence in favor of the passage, on the other hand, cannot be adequately explained other than by the authenticity of its text.

Mark [Oxford: James Parker, ], Danker, et al. Carleton L. Arimathea is likely to be the town Ramathaionzophim, just north of Jersusalem. Joseph is said to be a member of the Council, that is, the Sanhedrin, which was a sort of Jewish Supreme Court that tried cases dealing with Jewish law. The Great Sanhedrin, which tried important life-and-death cases, consisted of seventy-one prominent and influential men. Even the most skeptical scholars acknowledge that Joseph was probably the genuine, historical individual who buried Jesus, since it is unlikely that early Christian believers would invent an individual, give him a name and nearby town of origin, and place that fictional character on the historical council of the Sanhedrin, whose members were well known.

That fact is confirmed by the type and location of the tomb in which he buried Jesus[. The tombs were sealed with a stone slab to keep out animals. In a very expensive tomb, a round, disc-shaped stone could be rolled down a slanted groove and across the door of the tomb. Although it would be easy to close the tomb, it would require several men to roll the stone back up the groove to open it. In addition, John states that the tomb was located in a garden John The word means plantation, or orchard, and such a site could contain rock tombs.

So it could have been a prestigious burial place. Two more details deserve to be mentioned. This is very likely, since the body of a condemned criminal could not be placed in an occupied tomb without defiling the bodies of the family members reposing there. Therefore, Joseph would have to find an unoccupied tomb.

All the gospels give the impression that Joseph had a specific tomb in mind, and that is best explained by the fact that the tomb in which he laid Jesus was his own property. That all these details dovetail cannot be simply coincidental. But neither can it be intentional, for the details are entirely incidental and offhand. The tomb is described as having a roll-stone for a door. John says the tomb was situated in some sort of garden, a fact shown to be consistent with the location of the tombs of notables.

At the same time, the different gospel writers mention that Joseph was a prominent Jewish leader, that he was wealthy, and that he owned the tomb in which he laid Jesus. In other words, he is exactly the sort of man who would own a tomb such as that described in the gospels.

The gospels also say the tomb was unused, which is plausible in light of Jewish beliefs about defilement. The soldiers—the servants of the anti-Jesus leadership that had just conspired to have Christ crucified—were themselves witnesses to the miraculous events of Resurrection morning. Such unwilling testimony is exceedingly strong.

The tomb had been made sure Matthew to prevent such a theft. The disciples had very recently fled from Roman soldiers when Judas betrayed Christ. Peter had been so fearful that he had denied even knowing Christ when questioned by a servant girl, and His followers were clearly at this point filled with cowardice and depression—they were in no state to bravely attempt to face a detachment of Roman soldiers to steal the body.

If the soldiers had been sleeping, how could they say that the disciples stole the body? Even a large bribe would not likely have been able to convice the soldiers to risk death for stating that they slept on the job were not the fact that the body was indeed gone unable to be denied.

They only were willing to risk death in this manner because they had guarantees of protection and immunity for making what they knew full well was a false claim. The stone at the tomb was extremely large.

Even had the entire group of soliders fallen asleep, the noise caused by moving the stone would have awakened them. The position of the grave clothes demonstrates that the body had not been stolen.

No robbers would have taken the time to unwind the wrappings, which were stuck together with the spices, removed the body, and then rewound the wrappings into their original shape, all the while hoping that the Roman soldiers would not wake up, instead of fleeing with the body in its graveclothes as quickly as possible.

The disciples had absolutely no motive for taking away the body, which had been honorably buried. It would not have been an act of honor to their Rabbi, but one of dishonor.

Their Master had exalted the virtue of honesty to the highest possible degree. Nor did they have any prospect of monetary gain or other worldly advancement for making such a claim. Each of the Apostles was martyred, except for the Apostle John, who suffered banishment. People will suffer martyrdom for what they believe to be true, but not for what they know to be false. There is no way that the disciples would have clung tenaciously to their proclamation that Christ had risen from the dead had they known that their proclamation was false.

The stolen-body theory does not even attempt to account for the many appearances of Christ to believer and unbeliever, to individuals and to large groups. The Nazareth Inscription is. It is a Greek inscription on a marble tablet measuring approximately 24 inches by 15 inches. The exact time and place of its discovery is not known. The text records an abridged decree. This fact clearly proves that the story of the resurrection of Christ was widely known almost immediately after His crucifixion.

In other words, the story of the resurrection of Christ must have been a story that was circulated by his Apostles themselves, and it was not a later invention by Christians of the post-apostolic period, as some modern scholars in the past have argued.

The Nazareth Inscription [prods] modern scholars into making a choice of either believing in the resurrection of Christ or of believing that His disciples stole His body from the tomb in order to perpetrate a great religious fraud.

Since its original publication in by M. Franz Cumont, no scholar has published evidence to disprove its authenticity. Jared M. Walton, ed. It looks very much as if the news of the empty tomb had got back to Rome in a garbled form Pilate would have had to report: and he would obviously have said that the tomb had been rifled. See Craig A. The Ahmadiyya make the claims that Christ did not die on the cross but revived in the tomb, escaped from it, and then walked to India, where he died a natural death in Sringar, a city in Kashmir, after working with the ten allegedly lost Tribes of Israel, who had likewise migrated to Kashmir since that land, not Canaan, is allegedly the Promised Land.

In addition, the Ahmadis have failed to produce any archaeological or anthropological evidence that the grave. Solomon also flew through the air to Kashmir and ruled that country, for they have his throne there Paul C. The critique of the leading anti-supernaturalist writer David F. Strauss sounded the death knell for the swoon theory:. It is impossible that a being who had stolen half-dead out of the sepulchre, who crept about weak and ill, wanting medical treatment, who required bandaging, strengthening and indulgence, and who still at last yielded to his sufferings, could have given to his disciples the impression that he was a Conqueror over death and the grave, the Prince of Life, an impression which lay at the bottom of their future ministry.

Such a resuscitation could only have weakened the impression which he had made upon them in life and in death, at the most could only have given it an elegiac voice, but could by no possibility have changed their sorrow into enthusiasm, have elevated their reverence into worship.

Italics are reproduced from the original. A change of attitude toward the Resurrection has occurred in the realm of criticism. Earlier critics attempted to explain away the fact of the Resurrection on the basis of a swoon theory, a vision theory, or a hallucination theory, but these attempts failed to square with the evidence.

Merrill C. Macassey as follows:. As a lawyer I have made a prolonged study of the evidences for the events of the first [Resurrection] Day. To me the evidence is conclusive, and over and over again in the High Court I have secured the verdict on evidence not nearly so compelling. Inference follows on evidence, and a truthful witness is always artless and disdains effect. The Gospel evidence for the resurrection is of this class, and as a lawyer I accept it unreservedly as the testimony of truthful men to facts they were able to substantiate.

Cited in John Stott, Basic Christianity , new ed. Wright does not affirm the inerrancy of Scripture N. Wright, Simply Christian [London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, ], — ; his conclusion that the resurrection took place is not a necessary consequence of his embrace of an inerrant Bible, but of his historical investigation. Ironside notes:. Take any outstanding character or event in ancient history—by ancient history I mean that which has to do with persons who lived or events which took place before the Christian era—and try to think on the testimony of how many witnesses you accept the story which you have received concerning these persons or events.

There was a man by the name of Socrates. How do you know he lived? Well, you have the testimony of Plato and Xenophon. Beyond that you do not have the testimony of any other eye- or ear-witness. Others referred to him in later days on the authority of these witnesses.

God has given us abundant testimony of the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. In order to get the full force of it we need to read what is recorded in all the four Gospels. In addition to that, we have the definite witness of the apostle Paul, and the testimony of the apostles James and Jude, who were related to Christ after the flesh, but who write of Him as the risen One who is now Lord of all.

God saw to it that there was all-sufficient evidence of the resurrection that no honest soul need doubt. Harry A. See also, e. Geoffrey W.

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November 17th, October 20th, Christian Holiness or Sanctification: A Summary. Finkelstein, 'Akiba, Ishmael, and Bar Kochba', pp.

The Remains of the Bar Kokhba Revolutionaries Secondly, the argument that one did not recite eulogies over those from the Dead Sea Area executed by the government, supported by a rabbinic passage or not, The central issue of this paper, in so far as the beliefs of the Bar means nothing if one assumes that Aqiba was in support of the rebel- Kokhba revolutionaries are concerned, is the possible relationship lion. One does not normally foment armed rebellion against the gov- which existed between Bar Kokhba and his followers and Rabbi ernment either, but this did not, apparently, stop the revolution in Aqiba.

We have seen that many of the references in rabbinic literature CE. Thirdly, the assertion that this is a 'public' eulogy is not sup- have been cast into doubt, and that, outside of these, there is no evi- ported by the text, as even Finkelstein admits; it says that the eulogy dence of a direct link between Bar Kokhba and Aqiba. As noted, the was to his students. It is assumed that, although Rabbis' words may only specifically religious 'texts' that have been found-the biblical have got back to the Romans on occassion, 21 Aqiba's students probably documents, the coins with their confusing imagery, and the phylactery would not have run out and reported him to the governor.

This sort fragments-tell us relatively little about the group's beliefs. It has of argumentation does not prove that Aqiba was uninvolved in the been noted on more than one occasion that the biblical manuscripts of revolt or its preparations, and may even indirectly supply further evi- the Dead Sea Scrolls from the Bar Kokhba period are almost all of the dence that, as traditional scholarship has always assumed, Aqiba may family of biblical manuscript loosely known as 'proto-Masoretic' 24 well have been quite heavily involved.

They represent a phase in the regularization of the Hebrew Scriptures In the light of the evidence, a complete break between Aqiba and that we could previously only conjecture and infer from the writings Bar Kokhba is unwise. Even Schafer freely admits that, although he of such a Church Father as Justin. His quotations from the Greek text would not accept much of the rabbinic material as evidence, he is of the Old Testament often seem to be from a version of the LXX more than willing to admit that the connection between Bar Kokhba which is much closer to the MT than to other versions of the LXX.

He thinks Hebrew Bible or the LXX, and we should not be surprised that this that, even if it does go back to Aqiba, it regularizing tendency should be present in the biblical documents of a is by no means a solemn proclamation of Bar Kokhba as the Messiah nor group of revolutionaries which we can characterize as, at the very does it support any of the other dramatic actions with which biographers least, fiercely nationalistic.

As can be inferred from some of the of Aqiva or Bar Kokhba may care to connect it; it provides no information letters from the various sites, and coins of the period, 26 they were about the real relationship between Bar Kokhba and Aqiva or about any active support the latter may have given the rebellion. Scroll, pp. Less complicated discussions can be found in D. See P. Schafer, 'Rabbi Aqiva and Bar Kokhba', p.

All of which, as mentioned, have traditionally Jewish, if sometimes unclear, However, commentary on discussion of the text itself. Archaeological informa- is there anything else which these biblical documents can tell us? The discussion then proceeds to tell the reader that this docu- without reference to their archaeological surroundings. If these doc- ment comes from the Cave of Horror in the Nahal Hever, giving no uments are documents not likely intended to be permanent, even if the explanation of this graphic name, and the reader is left to his own material within them had permanent value, 27 then interpreting them devices to discover what this means.

Robert Kraft's section on the must include determining why they continue to exist, and what that actual state of the manuscript29 does deal with some of the questions of information could add to our knowledge and understanding of the archaeology and the actual place where the document was found documents themselves. Qumran studies has dealt with the question of although leaving out vital details, to be discussed below , but he why the documents placed in the caves were placed there in the first draws some untenable conclusions.

These could possibly have been place, but this is not of primary concern to most. When the informa- avoided by paying closer attention to the archaeological material pub- tion available is as sparse as it is for Bar Kokhba research, however, it lished by Yigael Yadin. Department of Antiquities that Tammireh Bedouin had been seen One of the most important biblical manuscripts of the Bar Kokhba excavating in the caves of the Nahal. The fear was that, if the caves period, the Twelve Prophets scroll written in Greek, was found in were left unexcavated by the authorities, there would be nothing left Cave 8 in the Nahal Hever or, in its Arabic form, the Wadi Habra - to excavate.

Its official publication in the DJD excavated and named by Yadin in and are a matched pair series, however, virtually ignores this information. Rather than follow of caves in the opposite walls of the Nahal. They are both approxi- the examples of earlier volumes of documents from the Bar Kokhba mately m down the cliff faces, and are reachable only by the period such as the publication of the archaeological findings and texts most treacherous of climbs.

They were well chosen by the revolution- from the Wadi Murabba'at , 28 this volume spends almost all of its aries as refuge caves in all but one respect: the lack of water.

As hiding places, they were wonderful, but, when discovered, they were perhaps some of the easiest caves to siege. The remains of this siege presumably have been unintelligible to those not familiar with, or indeed steeped in, Jewish tradition. On The difference between the actual material upon which texts are written and the top of the cliff on either side of the N aha! Bagnall Reading one for each group of refugees. The ancient societies that used forced to drill holes in the pits of the olives they had previously eaten papyrus also used pieces of broken pottery called ostrak:a , parchment, wooden in an attempt to eke out the last remaining nutritional and moisture tablets and labels, and bone for the same kind of purposes for which papyrus was employed.

What these materials generally have in common is that they were used for written artefacts with no particular pretensions to permanence.

The texts written on 2 vols. Kraft, 'Description of the Materials and their State of Preservation', in sions for all time; we may imagine that most authors of what we call literature shared Tov, Greek Minor Prophets Scroll, pp.

Thucydides hopes. But the particular embodiment of a text on a physical medium In its popular form, Y. We dis- Benoit, J. Milik, and R. The approximately eighteen skeletons that remain are almost one or more of the individuals hiding in the cave, and 3 documents exclusively those of women, children, and infants. According to of importance to the administration of the revolutionary state itself.

Aharoni, they Destroying these would potentially save the lives of those who had escaped the vengeful attention of the Romans, or, at the very least, showed no signs of violence. It may be assumed, then, that they died of hunger and thirst during a long siege. The number of skeletons found give the Romans no return for all their efforts during the siege.

As almost certainly does not reflect the number of inhabitants It is reasonable These fugitives met their deaths in the cave, though the absence of any to assume that most of the men were killed in battle outside the cave in signs of injury on the bodies shows that the place was not taken by force desperate attempts to bring food and water to the besieged women and of arms.

This was only to be expected, since the inaccessibility of the children. The reserves of water and food in the cave dwindled inexorably, until the besieged were faced with the choice of surrendering or dying of hunger and thirst. How to Publish a Papyrus Even if a discussion of the basic steps of working with a papyrus might seem out of place in a scholarly article, it will be shown later that this is of utmost importance for the question of what is written on 7Q5.

The first step is to read the text and to identify as many single characters as possible. For this it is often necessary to consult the original of a papyrus. Photographic reproductions can be misleading. Despite the fact that a reading taken from an original is. As can be read in many popular articles in newspapers as well as in his books. Thiede and M. Hunger, 7Q5: Markus 6, oder?

Die Meinung des Papyrologen, in B. Mayer ed. Regensburg: Pustet, , pp. Translation: Given the level of controversy among the experts, it is necessary to bear in mind what logic demands. Whoever rejects a reasonable decipherment and identification of a text should feel obliged to offer an alternative. It is too easy to plead ignorance. This is easy with large pieces, containing lots of characters, but can be very tricky for small pieces and tiny fragments.

It might not even be possible to identify a single word in a tiny fragment. As mentioned above, Thiede claims that it has been proven that 7Q5 is Mk 6. The third step is to interpret the papyrus, to show the consequences and the meaning of the particular piece, which might, in turn, provide an insight into the tradition of a special text, or might highlight a historical situation.

The consequences of the allegedly positive or negative identification of 7Q5 have already been mentioned. The statement of Herbert Hunger adds to the pressure. We are forced, as he claims, to make some identification of this fragment.

This article will not attempt to identify this much debated piece of papyrus. Its sole aim is to present the arguments of those who try to prove that 7Q5 is indeed part of a Gospel of Mark. Even if this might seem to be a very cautious approachalmost not worth the trouble of writing the articleit seems that this is the only way to deal with this papyrus. Even if the three steps of working with a papyrusreading, identifying, interpretingseem to be very easy, they do have their particular traps.

Reading 7Q5 Since it was Jose OCallaghan who made the first positive identification of this papyrus, his reading is given below:7 Text ]e[ ]utwnh[ ]h. As can be seen, there is not much to be read, but much more to be added.

According to OCallaghan, only ten letters in five lines can be identified without doubtthis is an amazing average of two letters per line. However, Herbert Hunger wrote concerning this identification: Man fragt sich, warumim Vergleich zu vielen anderen Identifizierungsversuchen an neugefundenen Papyrigerade die Zuweisung von 7Q5 an Markus einen derart heftigen Widerstand von seiten skeptischer Bibelwissenschaftler hervorgerufen hat.

Die Antwort ist einfach: Durch das sichere Datum eines terminus ante quem 68 n. Am Rand des Symposiums in Eichsttt Oktober sagte mir ein Neutestamentler: Wenn diese Papyrusfragmentein die Jahrzehnte zu datieren sind, bricht unsere ganze Einleitungswissenschaft zusammen. Thus, identifying a piece of papyrus from Qumran as being part of the Gospel of Mark means nothing less than a major upheaval for New Testament studies.

However, even some 30 years after this allegedly convincing identification,9 New Testament studies continue to exist and still use form criticism to analyze Marks Gospel. Translation: In view of the large number of attempts at identifying other, newly-discovered papyri, the question arises why exactly the ascribing of 7Q5 to Marks Gospel has met with such strong opposition from the so-called sceptical biblical scholars. The answer is simple: as a result of a securely dated terminus ante quem 68 AD , biblical scholars are forced to date New Testament texts earlier than they had previously done, which they are unwilling to do.

At the Eichsttt symposium October a New Testament scholar said to me, If these papyrus fragments have to be dated to the decades between AD, the entire foundation of New Testament studies collapses. Es mag durchaus sein, da die Konsequenzen der Identifizierung eines Markusund eines Pastoralbrief-Fragments in Qumran weitreichender sind als diejenigen von griechischen AT- bzw. Identifying 7Q5 The only word which can be identified is kaivnot a word which helps us much with the identification of the papyrus since it is used rather often.

However, OCallaghan managed to get an identification using the double nu in line four. With the word ejgevnnhsen he was not successful, thus he tried Gennhsarevt, with fascinating results.